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Old December 11th, 2004, 07:41 AM   #1
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PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

I'm almost sold. Just have one question. This may be answered somewhere, but I didn't see it, so I apologize in advance if it has.

PhotoPost has the "Member Galleries" section where each user has their own personal gallery, where they can upload images and create their own sub-categories/etc. I didn't see in vBa Gallery where it had this feature without the admin manually creating each user's gallery. In PhotoPost, it's "built-in" so that each user has their personal gallery.

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Old December 11th, 2004, 08:27 AM   #2
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Yes vBa Gallery has this. You just have to set a few option in the admin area. They can make their gallery private or open for others. Unless you are refering to the whole page being their own as if it looked like their own webpage. They have to go to your sites main gallery page and then go to their gallery.
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Old December 11th, 2004, 08:57 AM   #3
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

From what I have seen, this gallery has most of the same major features of PhotoPost, only missing statistics (which I expect will be available as a modification soon) and also provides much much better and easier to manager forum integration.
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Old December 11th, 2004, 03:48 PM   #4
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

PhotoPost lets you assign a category as a "Member Area", then each user gets their own Gallery in that one, as soon as they visit. Then, they can create sub-categories under that to organize their images if they like.

I don't want users to be able to create bottom level categories. I want them to have their own, using their username, automatically. Then the ability to create more under that if they wish.

Example: http://www.photopostdev.com/photopost/index.php

The Members Galleries is the functionality I'm looking for.
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Old December 11th, 2004, 07:17 PM   #5
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Well, I think I'm going to buy it anyway. It still appears to be a better product than PhotoPost, and much more tightly integrated with vBulletin.

Now I own all the vBadvanced products.
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Old December 11th, 2004, 07:35 PM   #6
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Yep it has that feature
And its sick.
http://m1.mumsweb.com/gallery for my gallery
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Old December 20th, 2004, 10:59 AM   #7
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Can you have one image and multiple catagories?

Say for example it's a car website and the image is of a car with a cool paintjob and killer wheels. As peeps are surfing catagories I'd like this same image to show up in Paint and Wheels.

Possible? Hack or builtin?
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Old December 20th, 2004, 11:01 AM   #8
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

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Can you have one image and multiple catagories?

Say for example it's a car website and the image is of a car with a cool paintjob and killer wheels. As peeps are surfing catagories I'd like this same image to show up in Paint and Wheels.

Possible? Hack or builtin?
You currently can't assign an image to multiple categories. (He might have that planned for the future; dunno.)
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Old December 20th, 2004, 11:49 AM   #9
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I've used both Photopost and vbagallery. vbagallery is by far the better product if you have vbulletin. I've also setup a members area gallery with no problem
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Old December 30th, 2004, 06:56 PM   #10
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Disagree. I had a quick look at your members section, and it doesn't match up well with photopost at all (feature for feature).

The latest version of Photopost (4.85) integrates seamlessly with vb (it was the thrust of that release). The template and admin systems are different of course, and that's a downside if you require total integration. But Photopost is a far more mature product (Hey, it was born earlier).

I could find no way to offer the same features for adult/dating/member-central sites using gallery. The live demo here is misleading, because there is less than a page of members. Add thousands of members and it is unwieldy.

At Photopost, for twice the price you'll get more than twice the features. For low-maintenance high-volume "member-centric" sites those features are essential.

Gallery will catch up eventually, and I'll be here when it does, because there is no 'integration' --it is vb all the way.

At this point, gallery has more to offer vb webmasters and moderators. Photopost has far more to offer the users. I purchased gallery, but in the end chose to remain in the Photopost camp.
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Old December 30th, 2004, 07:01 PM   #11
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

StewardManscat,

I agree, but, as we know, PhotoPost has been around a long time, and Gallery is still in RC.

I'm in the same boat with you. I'm keeping PhotoPost right now, but plan to switch to Gallery in the future.

Brian has been working diligently on every concern I've had in relation to the switchover from PhotoPost, so I'm sure Gallery will "get there".

But, as you said, PhotoPost is a more feature-rich and mature product at this point in the game.
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Old December 30th, 2004, 08:52 PM   #12
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

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At this point, gallery has more to offer vb webmasters and moderators. Photopost has far more to offer the users.
I guess it depends on how you use your software. Right now Gallery enables me to offer a much more complete site to my users, than the one I can offer with PP. Of course there are basic things still missing but hey, it's still a RC, right?

So, if you mean user experience, I disagree.
If you mean something like "Gallery has not the same user content pages", I agree with you.

In comparison:
- A member's gallery in PP (showgallery.php/ppuser/userid/) is far more complete than the equivalent simple page in Gallery (browseimages.php?do=member&imageuser=userid);
- PP's profile page (member.php?uid=userid) has far more info than Gallery's My Subscriptions page (browseimages.php?do=subscriptions);
- And the Member's Galleries in PP (showmembers.php) is of no match to Gallery's Member's Categories.

But I ask, so what?
Those are only pages. Even I with my crummy php knowledge could make the appropriate changes to browseimages.php to match PP's member gallery page.

The permissions system in Gallery is far more versatile than the one found on Photopost. Tweaking category and usergroup permissions allows me to give zero permissions in one category to a user and full permissions in the next. Add to this users' owned categories and single category moderator privs. and you have enough options to create a very diversified site.
You can't do that with PP. Not without a lot of hacking.
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Old December 30th, 2004, 09:01 PM   #13
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

I prefer PP's method of member galleries. Where they can create their own albums under their gallery only, and not be able to just create their own named galleries at the "root" of the member area. That's the main thing I was wanting Brian to add.
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Brian, it's the second time you mention the 30 new features. Can you lift the curtain a bit? =)
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Old December 30th, 2004, 11:09 PM   #15
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

You want him to spend time elaborating or coding
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Old December 30th, 2004, 11:09 PM   #16
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

Well I hate to piss on anyone but having used photopost for a couple of years and now vba on both of my forums the difference to me is

PP has almost daily updates with poor documentation and for a novice every update is like a nightmare. The styles don't match well and you can count on that email from that new member that has never logged out to tell you that he can't view images.

VBA while not having as many options was a breeze to install, no double admin panel. The styles look perfect, data base integration was perfect and no cookie issues like new members always have with PP. I have only been using VBA a couple of weeks but couldn't feature going back. If anyone is interested I have a copy of PP I wish I could sell.
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Old December 30th, 2004, 11:35 PM   #17
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

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You want him to spend time elaborating or coding
Zachery, from what I know Brian has a list. Copy-paste is fine

UPDATE: Brian, you beat me by seconds! =)
I can understand that! Keep your secrets!
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Old December 30th, 2004, 11:37 PM   #18
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You want him to spend time elaborating or coding
.... if the 30+/- items was at least listed then perhaps others won't have to do their own coding and instead can wait for RC3.

EDIT: Of course details wouldn't be needed but at least some generalizations might save me some late nights.
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Old December 31st, 2004, 07:36 AM   #19
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Right now Gallery enables me to offer a much more complete site to my users
The topic was "pre sales/member galleries". My issue is in this thread.

I need a dumb simple member experience.

Example: you love the permission system. My hack to that is posted in these forums: short-circuit it. Pictures are either on or off for everybody. Simple.

Max too has problems with Photopost installation, upgades and templates.

I'm talking about member galleries. The products are very different in that respect. It just happens to be the area that is important to my site.

But since another topic has come up....

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You want him to spend time elaborating or coding
Exactly... I'll post more once it's closer to completion.
This was a last straw for me. I inquired about a thumbnail scrollbar early in the game (it's one of the more obvious differences in features). Wish I could find the message now, Brian's response was something to the tune of "not a difficult hack".

Indeed it wasn't. When I was done I sent Brian a note regarding some things I noticed in the course of the hack. He replied with "it's done in RC3".

Why would I spend my time hacking something that will be in the next release? Because there is no list here of possible features or timeframe. So now I will take my cue from CongSoft, and wait until it's done and released.

It seems Gallery provides no way for me to plan resources, or make decisions on my own. I have no clue what might be in the next release, or when it might come out.

Please don't crash down on me about the dangers and difficulties of posting features and timeframes. I have some (24 years) experience in software development.

A balance would be helpful: between dead silence and gross optimism there is a rough idea of what's planned. Brian will be damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. So be damned, but try to prevent us from focusing on what you will render obsolete in the next release.

Or not. You may have your reasons for silence and I'm not upset over it. It's the way vbadvanced is, and as I said, I'll be here making a nusiance of myself when the product is ready. It is theoretically a better solution, and for many sites now, practically a better solution.

But not, at this time, for adult/member sites. To see this, visit stripperweb (in the thread referenced above), and imagine a site with thousands of members. The page would take all day to load, and there's no easy way to browse.

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I'd like to know how you can say twice the features. At the moment, vBa Gallery lacks a few features that PP has, but certainly not twice as many. vBa Gallery also has many features that PP doesn't offer, and RC3 will have about 30 new options/features as well.
Remember Brian, only you know about those 30 features.

Far as I can tell, the benefits and features of gallery are largely fallout from total integration with vb. List only those that are germaine to a photo gallery, and the list is much smaller. Think of it as a compliment: Photopost has been around six times twice as long as gallery, and only has twice the features.

I recommend gallery to anyone cruising the presales forum. There is no better solution for a vb site: solid product, good support, growing feature set, superb integration.

But if you are coming from Photopost, and member galleries are important to your site, be advised that gallery has no intrinsic way of handling them like Photopost, it is not obvious from the sale pitch and demo, and you have yourself a situation. There is no feedback on this site about how, if, or when your solution may come.

I love this place. It's fun. Hell, I was so excited I sent Brian a bonus. But two weeks later, I don't have a gallery, and I'm spending my time coding missing features or pontificating in gallery forums instead of improving my site. Yesterday I installed the Photopost upgrade for vb integration. Poof: everything I want for the members is there and done.

When gallery is ready, I'll be back for what I, as a webmaster, want.
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Old December 31st, 2004, 08:59 AM   #20
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Re: PhotoPost vs vBa Gallery

May I ask what the point of that was?

I can understand exactly why Brian is being mum about certain things... do you not find it a little more than a coincidense that photopost has suddenly shifted gears towards vB3 enhancement/integration?

Take a pill. It's the holiday season.

It's RC software that is pretty damn good as is. Your rant is more than a little insulting - noone put a gun to your head to buy/use it.

Hopefully you have a better year in 2005.

Cheers,

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