Keywords get lost on multiple file upload

cellarius · November 9th, 2006, 06:07 AM

Hi,

installed on http://www.roma-antiqua.de/forum/galerie, working mostly fine. I allow my users to upload more than one picture at a time and to assign them to different categories.

When they start to upload, selecting their pictures and such, they are for the first time prompted to enter a title, description and keywords. This is then assigned to each of the pictures. After they hit the upload button, they correctly are redirected to another page, where they can add title, description and keywords to each Photo individually. Title and description entered on the first page show up correctly on the second, but the keywords entered on the first get lost on the way to the second. The keywords-field stays empty.

Ah yes: user pptest pw pptest is still working

Thanks for your help,
Sven

Chuck S · November 9th, 2006, 09:17 AM

Keywords are not password the same to every photo.

cellarius · November 9th, 2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck S

Keywords are not password the same to every photo.

I have to admit that this sentence does not really make sense to me. You want to tell me that Keywords are not passed in the same way as title and description are?

If this is correct: Why not? This does not seem to be logical to me. If images can have identical title and description, why shouldn't they have identical keywords?

I find the passing feature really helpful: If you're uploading images, you can all at once give them title and description that they share, and then, in the second step, you can add to this for each image individually. That's great and intuitive.

Now you give the user a keyword field, just identical to the other fields. He types the keywords he wants all his images to share, he uploads - and in the next step they are all lost. This is all but intuitive, this is bad handling: First you make the user typing his input, and then you throw it away! This leads to the result, that no one types keywords on the second page anymore an the keywords get to consist only of the title of the image. Sorry, but that makes no sense to me.

I propose: Either take over the keywords just the same way you do with title and description (thats what I would suggest), or drop the keywors field on the first page. The way it is now it's only confusing.

Sven

CreationNation · November 9th, 2006, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck S

Keywords are not password the same to every photo.

Yoda talk Chuck! Haha.

Chuck S · November 9th, 2006, 03:38 PM

passed yes not password

If your using bulkupload you type keywords on each and every photo

cellarius · November 9th, 2006, 06:41 PM

Sorry Chuck, you're normally really helpful, but have you actually read what I wrote? I do know that at the moment one has to assign the keywords one by on. This is not what this thread about primarily.

Once again:

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Now you give the user a keyword field, just identical to the other fields. He types the keywords he wants all his images to share, he uploads - and in the next step they are all lost. This is all but intuitive, this is bad handling: First you make the user typing his input, and then you throw it away!

And:

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I propose: Either take over the keywords just the same way you do with title and description (thats what I would suggest), or drop the keywors field on the first page. The way it is now it's only confusing.

Could you please comment on this? Do I have a point there?

Chuck S · November 9th, 2006, 07:18 PM

This thread is exactly about keywords not being passed and I responded saying that is correct they do not get passed. Thus I answered the question and I personally always stay away from people's opinions on how they thing the software should operate. I keep my response to the base of how the code operates, If you want to pass the keywords just edit your bulkuploads and try adding in a value in the bulkupload template like so

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cellarius · November 10th, 2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck S

This thread is exactly about keywords not being passed and I responded saying that is correct they do not get passed.

I understood that very well. And I tried to explain that - if it really was meant to be this way - it is not logical to offer users the possibility to enter data in the first place just to throw it away. One should omit the keywords field in this case.

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Thus I answered the question and I personally always stay away from people's opinions on how they thing the software should operate. I keep my response to the base of how the code operates,

Oh. So you're not interested in the wishes of your paying customers

. I cannot (and don't) quite believe that. After all, I did not wish for a trip to the moon and back. I stated what I still see as a bug and gave you what I think is substantial backing for that opinion. You might have provided me with a short paragraph of information why the way it works right now is better for you, your customers and all the users out there than the really small suggestion I made. Instead, you answer me stating the obvoious and what I already know?

Now, this on the other hand and at last is a really helpful answer:

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If you want to pass the keywords just edit your bulkuploads and try adding in a value in the bulkupload template like so

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Imported that, and now I'm a happy camper. Thank you - that's what I wanted. Had you told me that in your first answer, we might have saved this whole discussion. After all, it's just one line of code - not even that, just one string added

Sven

Chuck S · November 10th, 2006, 10:42 AM

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Oh. So you're not interested in the wishes of your paying customers . I cannot (and don't) quite believe that. After all, I did not wish for a trip to the moon and back. I stated what I still see as a bug and gave you what I think is substantial backing for that opinion. You might have provided me with a short paragraph of information why the way it works right now is better for you, your customers and all the users out there than the really small suggestion I made. Instead, you answer me stating the obvoious and what I already know?

Has nothing to do with that at all. It has to do with the fact that I do not get into the middle of opinions of how people think things should or should not be as thats nothing but a powder keg. We support the software as it is written and as a company post code modifications although at times if something is simple I will which is what I did.

snoopy5 · January 5th, 2007, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck S

This thread is exactly about keywords not being passed and I responded saying that is correct they do not get passed. Thus I answered the question and I personally always stay away from people's opinions on how they thing the software should operate. I keep my response to the base of how the code operates, If you want to pass the keywords just edit your bulkuploads and try adding in a value in the bulkupload template like so

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Unfortunatley this has not been implemented yet in version PP 5.62. I have the same opionion about the necessity of this extra code you provided above. This works by the way also now in 5.62.

But you have to be fair, if a user is asking for this. No matter what the purpose of a feature shall be, it has to be implemented logically. So the users of a photo gallery can handle it as it appears how it has to be handled.

If there is a field on the first screen for keywords and this field looks the same way like the other fields, then it is just logical that a user will expect the same way of passing the input along to the second screen as it is the case with the other fields. You have done it right with the appearance of optional fileds. These are just displaying in the second screen. So no rsik of confusion.

It does not matter whether this is the purpose of this field. It is just a question of how much a user shall be confused or not. It is called usability.

So the proposition of Cellarius is totally logical.

If you do not want to pass it along, just delete the field on the first screen in the download file of PP. If you want to pass it along, then do so by implementing this code in the downloadfile asap. But to leave it like it is now, makes no sense in terms of usability of the software.

Everything else is just a waste of time discussing this.

Chuck S · January 5th, 2007, 08:12 AM

Some things I post on here Dirk are just TWEAKS for customers and not bug fixes. Just an FYI so not everything I note around these forums would be included in the build.

snoopy5 · January 5th, 2007, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck S

Some things I post on here Dirk are just TWEAKS for customers and not bug fixes. Just an FYI so not everything I note around these forums would be included in the build.

I wish others would just copy your "tweaks" and implement them immediately. It would push the software miles ahead

I have maybe some costum work for you. I do not want to wait another 2 years until this will be implemented in the official release ...

I have to run in a meeting now, but will send you an e-mail today with my feature ideas to get a quote from you...

Chris! · January 5th, 2007, 01:41 PM

I mentioned this issue a month or so ago.

The way it currently works doesn't seem logical to me.

Queue Description Bug

animate · February 20th, 2007, 09:04 AM

on new version 5.62 its without value on the vb3 template

<input class="bginput" type="text" size="50" class="textarea" name="key$x" />

so keywords are missing on single upload to. Changed to :

<input class="bginput" type="text" size="50" class="textarea" name="key$x" value="$keywords"/>

works perfect.

Chuck S · February 20th, 2007, 09:23 AM

That is because as responded keywords are not something designed to be passed the same on every photo