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Old August 18th, 2005, 09:24 AM   #21 (permalink)
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yes but given the install you sent me a link to your bid history works just fine

You pointed me to a product with 3 bids and all 3 bids showed on bid history. I then posted a bid which made it 4 bids and all 4 bids showed on the bid history

so given this scenerio on your install where is the problem?
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Old August 18th, 2005, 09:58 AM   #22 (permalink)
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yes but given the install you sent me a link to your bid history works just fine

You pointed me to a product with 3 bids and all 3 bids showed on bid history. I then posted a bid which made it 4 bids and all 4 bids showed on the bid history

so given this scenerio on your install where is the problem?
that is exactly the problem. befor you bid, itz should have shown 5 bidders, not 3, since another user tried twice to bid higher then the first one.

I just bidded again twice. Once with 12 and the second one with 16. The username i used for this was tester2 again

Tester 2 does not show up at all in the bid history. Only you as omegatron every time you overbid tester2 because of you original bid. Same bug with tester against tester2

So it shows now:

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Omegatron €17.00 18.8.2005 16:45
Omegatron €13.00 18.8.2005 16:44
Omegatron €11.00 18.8.2005 16:15
tester €4.25 18.8.2005 15:02
tester €3.25 18.8.2005 15:00
tester €1.25 18.8.2005 15:00

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It should show as:

Omegatron with 17
Tester 2 with 16
Omeghatron with 13
Tester2 with 12
Omegatron with 11
Tester with 4.25
Tester2 with 4
Tester with 3.25
Tester2 with 2
Tester with 1.25

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You see what I mean? One user is always trying to bid, but this user is not listed in bid history at all, athough it was a real bid (it is called "bid history", not "leading bids", right...).

So this is wrong...
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Old August 18th, 2005, 10:56 AM   #23 (permalink)
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http://camera-info.de/classified/sho...php?product=12

There is your issue the other user has not bidded twice. There are only 6 bids

You bid a max bid and your bid amount is automatically incremented when someone tries to bid a lower amount.

If you make a bid on an item and it is too low that bid is not recorded as its invalid.

The max user is added as the bidder with a higher amount.

I think you expect to record invalid bids but it doesnt do this
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 04:11 AM   #24 (permalink)
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... There are only 6 bids

You bid a max bid and your bid amount is automatically incremented when someone tries to bid a lower amount.
Halfway correct. User 2 bids over the at this time leading bid. He does not know that there is a "internal" bid even higher. So the system accepts his bid, his bid is therefore valid. That a second later another bid (from the secret maximum bid of user1) gets higher is a different story.

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If you make a bid on an item and it is too low that bid is not recorded as its invalid.

The max user is added as the bidder with a higher amount.

I think you expect to record invalid bids but it doesnt do this
Sorry, but this is not correct.

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I think you expect to record invalid bids but it doesnt do this
We are talking about an auction. In an auction EVERY bid is correct and valid. It does not matter, whether someone later makes a higher bid. This "later on" can be seconds, hours or days. But the principle how it works is always the same. The only thing that counts is that at the time when the user made the bid, it was allowed (=valid) to enter that amount.

So ALL bids, the user were allowed to enter have to be recorded and displayed in the history. Again: it is called history and I expect to see ALL bids to be displayed that differnt suers entered to buy the product.

If your argumentation would be true, then no bid except the winner/leading one would be displayed. As a consequence, that would be ALWAYS only ONE bid, since all others are "invalid" as soon as someone else bids higher. And by definition, there exist always only one "valid" bid.

So in our test not 6 bids would have to be displayed. Only one would be the proper display, if I would follow your argumentation. I do not think that this would be a "history" neither, right? And in this case the program would also not show it correctly, since it displays 6 and not 1

So instead of arguing, what is a valid and invalid bid, why not just make it like the benchmark called ebay is doing it? They are longer in this business then we do and they most likely have thought about it seriously to make it display this way.

My users do not care about the interpretations of valid and invalid. May users will compare my classified service with ebay. simple as that. fullstop.

And if I want to earn money with it, I have to compete against this benchmark. Whether I like or not. So I better offer at least what ebay is offering to give my costumers of my site a very easy way of getting familiar with my services and seduce them to use my platform instead or at the same time of using ebay.

I know this is tough, but it is first of all tough for me, who needs to make money with it. Unfortunately ebay is the monster that dominates everything. And we all have to find ways to compete as a " David" against this "golliath".

So to make a long story short, please provide asap a code how to display it correctly as a real history like at ebay.

Thanks in advance
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Old August 23rd, 2005, 04:20 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Just to give a real life example why this history is so important for me:

At ebay, you will see very often auctions, that have "strange" endprices. Very often, ebay users are registered with more than one username and bid on their own auctions to push the price up. Or friends help them to do so.

With a real history like at ebay, you can interprete better, who is a real buyer and who is a fake account or a fake bid. This helps a lot to make a selling platform with an auction mechanism more trustworthy in the eye of the potential buyer.
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