Chuck I am at the airport now so I can't check but you and I are both in the same administrators group, I only have the default administrators group that came with Vbulletin, thus you and I should have the same permissions. Can you edit your account and add yourself to the same usergeoups I am in and see if it still works for you? I am at a loss to explain this behaviour but it seems I am not the only admin having this problem on their site. I know it seems odd but can you help me troubleshoot while I am in the air? I don't get back until this evening and only have phone with me.