Thats what I'm trying to figure out chuck
and i appreciate the response. I did rename them as you said, and I renamed the function that is called $whatever on the page, since the cmps im trying to call it on uses an include? of some kind im guessing. So, even after renaming both those things it still fails. I guess i could turn on errors to see whats happening, but i imagine its something simple in there somewhere im missing?