Quite possibly - guess I will pay closer attention to those, the last few haven't required running upgrade - although I'm pretty sure I ran it when moving from 5.1x to 5.2x - was this extra info added in the 5.1 to 5.11 upgrade? If so, that might be it.
Anyway, things appear ok now, as far as this goes anyways
I looked through all the other updates in the upgrade.php and ran queries and it appears I have everything in place and up to date now.
Thanks.